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Congress Goes To War (With Each Other) Saturday, November 19, 2005

After fiery comments by Rep. John Murtha on Thursday. The honorable Representative Murtha made the tough call to bring the troops home. On Friday, the House of Representatives erupted in a verbal war with one Representative suggesting Murtha was a coward before retracting the statement. The Democrats didn't react well to the verbal bullets being thrown at the old marine in the House. Some even had to be physically restrained.

As a political tactic, the GOP called for a brief resolution in response that of Murtha that was much shorter and left our many details Murtha thought pertinent to the situation. The GOP didn't want the information on the record that's for sure. The vote went out on the GOP resolution and it easily passed. Murtha and the rest of the Dems knew it was a ploy. The Post ran a good story on the debate.

Congress needs an honest debate on this war. They need to force Bush and Cheney to give thorough, regular updates on the war and they need to see a concise strategy of some kind, even if it's not withdrawal. They need to see how our country plans to deal with Iraq and in the future and what it's going to take finish this job.

posted by Stithmeister @ 10:27 AM

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At 2:02 AM, Blogger Daniel S. said...
Man, was that chaotic or what?

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At 6:51 AM, Blogger Cynicus said...
No, it was wonderful!

Reminded me of the occasional C-Span showing of the Brit House of Commons debates. i love when they start saying things like "The Right Honourable and Esteemed Member for Surrey is an ignorant wanker."

But what do you think Murtha should do now? i'd like to see him come in bright and early Monday morning (or whenever the House next meets) - and do it again. Same speech, same proposed measure with the same wording, until even the idjits of the mainstream media catch on and print what he actually (non-spun) said.

Can he do that?

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At 10:56 AM, Blogger Greymagius said...
A quick/Completest recap on the two radically different proposals...

Murtha's resolution:

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:

Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.

Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.

And here's the GOP "rewrite":

The GOP version:


Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that
the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces
in Iraq be terminated immediately.

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At 1:10 PM, Blogger Stithmeister said...
I think they're about the same... don't you? I mean one is certainly abridged but I think any reasonable person could get that they mean the same thing. (BWAHAHAHA).

Murtha need to put all those idjits through the marine basic training course.

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At 10:21 AM, Blogger Greymagius said...
I did note while reading the NY Times on line today, that SEVERAL articles were highlighting the increasing tension between the POTUS & his (theoretical) Congressional party allies. I see what may be the start of a rising tide.

and oh yes... Rummy gets 'Blitzed'

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